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SamDHarris
Posted 7/15/2010 9:02 AM (#358047)
Subject: 2002 evinrude 225 ficht problems


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I have a 2002 evinrude 225 ho ficht. Bought it new and never had 1 problem with it until last weekend.My no oil light and buzzer keeps going off.You can run at any speed for a few minutes before it goes off.when the alarm sounds the engine will shut down. You can turn the switch off and turn it back on and crank it and everything seems fine and you can take off and run for a few minutes and then it will do it again. I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem, if so please let me know what the fix was.
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Wormhook
Posted 7/15/2010 9:47 AM (#358056 - in reply to #358047)
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Sounds like the VRO pump is down.
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Hook1
Posted 7/15/2010 11:39 AM (#358082 - in reply to #358047)
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Could be some hot relays or wires. I have heard alot of these Ficht motors having electrical issues.
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bobby_hamrick
Posted 7/15/2010 12:25 PM (#358090 - in reply to #358047)
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oil pressure switch on side of engine. Possible. U need to get the code out of it. Have it hooked up. I have the software but no windows 98 running laptop to run it on. There are ways to pull these codes out with a volt meter.You have to research this.
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ole blue
Posted 7/15/2010 6:00 PM (#358152 - in reply to #358056)
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Wormhook - 7/15/2010 10:47 AM

Sounds like the VRO pump is down.

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wrechin2
Posted 7/15/2010 8:37 PM (#358183 - in reply to #358047)
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The fitch does not use a VRO fuel pump like a carburetored engine. The fuel never goes into the crankcase on a ficht so the ficht has a TOTALLY different oil system. It uses a oil lift pump that actually pumps the oil out of the oil tank in the boat and through the oil injector assembly and then it pumps the oil back into the oil tank in the boat. It constantly circulates the oil. The injector has 7 hoses and will put a drop of oil in every 15-20 seconds behind each throttle body (oiling the crank) and into the fuel at idle (lubrication the upper cylinder). The higher the rpm the more oil it will get. If the pressure switch fails (fairly common) then it will believe it is out of oil due to there is no oil pressure. There are several things that can cause this. The code may help to pin point to what is exactly going on. I have the working program and I am in Dunlap. Where are you located?

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bobby_hamrick
Posted 7/16/2010 7:36 AM (#358363 - in reply to #358047)
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Jmax
Posted 7/16/2010 8:33 AM (#358378 - in reply to #358047)
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ah...well.....ah......what wrechin said. I had that same issue with mine and had to replace the oil lift pump. Was not too bad and it fixed the problem. Mine is a 2000/ 200 h.p. ficht. Jmax
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Wormhook
Posted 7/16/2010 8:51 AM (#358384 - in reply to #358183)
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wrechin2 - 7/15/2010 8:37 PM The fitch does not use a VRO fuel pump like a carburetored engine. The fuel never goes into the crankcase on a ficht so the ficht has a TOTALLY different oil system. It uses a oil lift pump that actually pumps the oil out of the oil tank in the boat and through the oil injector assembly and then it pumps the oil back into the oil tank in the boat. It constantly circulates the oil. The injector has 7 hoses and will put a drop of oil in every 15-20 seconds behind each throttle body (oiling the crank) and into the fuel at idle (lubrication the upper cylinder). The higher the rpm the more oil it will get. If the pressure switch fails (fairly common) then it will believe it is out of oil due to there is no oil pressure. There are several things that can cause this. The code may help to pin point to what is exactly going on. I have the working program and I am in Dunlap. Where are you located?

Im quite sure that you know youre stuff, however, the ficht isnt a 4 stroke, it does consume oil, rather than just circulate it...

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wrechin2
Posted 7/16/2010 9:45 AM (#358399 - in reply to #358384)
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Wormhook - 7/16/2010 8:51 AM

wrechin2 - 7/15/2010 8:37 PM The fitch does not use a VRO fuel pump like a carburetored engine. The fuel never goes into the crankcase on a ficht so the ficht has a TOTALLY different oil system. It uses a oil lift pump that actually pumps the oil out of the oil tank in the boat and through the oil injector assembly and then it pumps the oil back into the oil tank in the boat. It constantly circulates the oil. The injector has 7 hoses and will put a drop of oil in every 15-20 seconds behind each throttle body (oiling the crank) and into the fuel at idle (lubrication the upper cylinder). The higher the rpm the more oil it will get. If the pressure switch fails (fairly common) then it will believe it is out of oil due to there is no oil pressure. There are several things that can cause this. The code may help to pin point to what is exactly going on. I have the working program and I am in Dunlap. Where are you located?

Im quite sure that you know youre stuff, however, the ficht isnt a 4 stroke, it does consume oil, rather than just circulate it...

The fitch is a 2 stroke DFI. This is a Direct Fuel Injected engine that has a fuel injector where the spark plug usually is and the spark plug come in the side of the head. For this reason only AIR comes througt the crankcase on the Ficht. On the Mercury OPTIMAX it uses a compressor and injects air and fuel throught the injector. But also uses a similiar oil system. On a EFI(injectors located in front of the engine where the carbs are located) and carbureted engine the fuel and air passes throught the crank case where the bearings are lubricated from the oil in the fuel. On the ficht, like mentioned above has a TOTALLY diffferent oil system. Real simple explaination. It has a oil injector on the engine that injects oil into the engine throught the crankcase and the fuel as mentioned before. It has a oil lift pump that circulates it from the oil tank on board to the oil injector and what is not used at that exact moment is put back into the tank. Just like the early fuel injection on car. You have a fuel supply to the injector rail and what is not injected into the engine is returned to the fuel tank. All of the oil gets consumed. I have actually worked on some of these engines so rest assured I know it is not a 4 stroke....  


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JaSkynyrd
Posted 7/16/2010 10:55 AM (#358418 - in reply to #358384)
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Wormhook - 7/16/2010 9:51 AM

wrechin2 - 7/15/2010 8:37 PM The injector has 7 hoses and will put a drop of oil in every 15-20 seconds...AND INTO THE FUEL AT IDLE (lubrication the upper cylinder).

Im quite sure that you know youre stuff, however, the ficht isnt a 4 stroke, it does consume oil, rather than just circulate it...

Even I know that that probably means it's not a 4 stroke...
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dtw2
Posted 7/16/2010 11:23 AM (#358429 - in reply to #358047)
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wrechin2
Posted 7/16/2010 12:29 PM (#358458 - in reply to #358418)
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Wormhook - 7/16/2010 9:51 AM

wrechin2 - 7/15/2010 8:37 PM The injector has 7 hoses and will put a drop of oil in every 15-20 seconds...AND INTO THE FUEL AT IDLE (lubrication the upper cylinder).

Im quite sure that you know youre stuff, however, the ficht isnt a 4 stroke, it does consume oil, rather than just circulate it...

Even I know that that probably means it's not a 4 stroke...


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Oldman
Posted 7/16/2010 3:29 PM (#358529 - in reply to #358047)
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i guess he knows what he is talking about.dang fluffy u r pretty smart to come from whitwell.lol
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Treed1
Posted 7/18/2010 5:08 PM (#358891 - in reply to #358047)
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Wow I think he punched one of James buttons !!! James do you work on boat motors ?
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wrechin2
Posted 7/18/2010 6:16 PM (#358915 - in reply to #358891)
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Treed1 - 7/18/2010 5:08 PM James do you work on boat motors ?

Is that a trick question Milke???


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Treed1
Posted 7/18/2010 11:24 PM (#358985 - in reply to #358047)
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wrechin2
Posted 7/19/2010 1:09 AM (#358999 - in reply to #358047)
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Wormhook
Posted 7/19/2010 8:20 AM (#359037 - in reply to #358418)
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JaSkynyrd - 7/16/2010 10:55 AM
Wormhook - 7/16/2010 9:51 AM

wrechin2 - 7/15/2010 8:37 PM The injector has 7 hoses and will put a drop of oil in every 15-20 seconds...AND INTO THE FUEL AT IDLE (lubrication the upper cylinder).

Im quite sure that you know youre stuff, however, the ficht isnt a 4 stroke, it does consume oil, rather than just circulate it...

Even I know that that probably means it's not a 4 stroke...

 

Well somewhere in the process, it uses oil, it doesnt simply recirculate, making it a 2 stroke. I never implied James doesnt know engines, he just made it sound like a 4 stroke.

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wrechin2
Posted 7/19/2010 12:15 PM (#359102 - in reply to #358047)
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I was simply explaining HOW the oil injection system DOES work on this FICHT. It DOES constantly circulates the oil through the OIL INJECTOR using a oil lift pump. Not the engine. It has a SUPPLY line from the oil tank and a RETURN line to the oil tank. Here is the OIL's PATH that will help.

1)The OIL LIFT PUMP gets the oil from on-board oil tank then supplies it to the OIL INJECTOR under pressure.

2) The OIL INJECTOR then INJECTS the supplied CIRCULATED under pressue oil into the engine to be consumed through the crankcase and the fuel.

3) What oil is not used by the OIL INJECTOR is RETURNED back to the oil tank through the oil return line. Then back to #1

As I stated before, The FICHT uses a TOTALLY DIFFERENT OILING SYSTEM than a carbureted Johnson/Evinrude using a VRO. Because the oil is under pressue, it has a pressure switch on it that are common to fail and start leaking.


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Wormhook
Posted 7/19/2010 1:33 PM (#359126 - in reply to #359102)
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Thanks for the detailed explanation....makes a lot more sense now.

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wrechin2
Posted 7/19/2010 1:42 PM (#359130 - in reply to #358047)
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